Promission?

The reason you’ve never had a clear answer on what ‘promission’ is, is because it’s effectively a nonsense - an oxymoronic concept like a genuine imitation or or running slowly. It doesn’t exist beyond this little world.

Just scanning through the posts here ( I also had questions on what is promission ), if you are submission wrestling and going by some of the standard "outside" tournament rules, the less experienced bracket don't allow knee bar, heel hooks, ankle locks, small digit manipulation, etc. And full nelsons aren't allowed in freestyle.

There are some pro-style moves that actually will make someone tap out if you can get them. Like you can can catch someone who has formal training with a boston crab because they read it as a guard pass and are not looking for you to roll them like that.

It is all reason to have a good conversation on rules before wrestling someone, particularly for the first time.

For me promission is my ideal as it's a wrestling hybrid of 2 aspects of wrestling I like. Firstly the pro side, the gear, maybe the jobber/heel angle and the more casual angle, i.e. not full on competitive as I find that can be quiet boring. I like the holds though and working them on a wearing someone down and getting submissions. I think the chances of injury with promission are lower given the lower level of intensity and some holds in full on submission are dangerous in my humble opinion. I think if fun/friendly with s competitive edge is maintained then that's more like promission for me. Hope that makes some sense.:-D

Surely if you are to wrestle an opponent you build up a rapport to make sure both will enjoy and set out rules likes and dislikes before hand.

Does it matter what type of wrestling you do. We are all on here because we love to wrestle regardless of how and what style you choose to do. Man Was Built To Wrestle.

No it doesn't matter what type of wrestling one does, but it does matter if we're miscommunicating with each other because we have different understandings of the terms we're using.

I disagree with the definition, since it makes promission just a variant on pro fantasy.

I would define it as a match in which pro holds are used competitively to submission but a match in which fake (camel clutch), theatrical (dropkicks), and dangerous holds (piledrivers) are prohibited. That way headscissors, reverse headscissors, holds now banned in amateur wrestling may be applied.

How is that different from submission wrestling?

I'm not sure I'm qualified to answer that. I do know that submission wrestling tends to go for the submission much faster and more directly than promission. Moreover, it rarely uses holds like a headscissors, and favors the mount, seeking submission from that position. It also involves heel hooks, wrist and finger locks, and other holds hot used in promission.

The problem of all these discussions is that there are many styles of wrestling–throw punching into submission and you are halfway there to MMA–and most of them are blends of two or more styles–prankration, catch, judo, etc.

It isn't a concept that makes any sense to me.

Here is my understanding. Promission is a match where both pro and submission moves and holds are used. The wrestlers make it look competitive (and at times, it is), but it better described as give/take since many pro moves, e.g., a body slam or camel clutch, requires cooperation between the wrestlers. Needless to say the contest can be more competitive as the wrestlers desire. Often, the wrestlers "take turns" heeling each other.

It is my favorite wrestling style. IMHO, it provides a great work out without the bluster of strictly competitive match (not that there is anything wrong with strictly competitive matches). It allows a wrestler to test his limits, learn and practice new moves and holds, and is more suitable than strict competitive for two wrestlers of different sizes and/or skill levels. In short, it is a lot of fun.

Al

I concur with your clarity on promision. From my perspective, wrestling is a combative sport where opponents challenge each others' abilities. Using "insincere" fake moves, whether promission or submisssion or prowrestling, just does not make sense to me. I want a competitive dual where I can test my skills against an opponent, without fake or dangerous actions / maneuvers that are just not fun for me. With mutual consent BEFORE the match is necessary regardless what style is used to 'experiment' with wrestlers' various desires to learn and expand what they want to learn about themselves. Wrestling does not have to be a sport when one gets hurt; I wanna live for another day.

Wrestling is inherently combative. That much is incontrovertible. Its just that some of these none conventional moves and holds that some find fun, stimulating, entertaining, or even erotic may not make any sense to their opponent. Especially when their expectations are conventional wrestling.

This is what is meant by preferences. Rival A finds it fun, but Rival B just finds it annoying. Meaning preferences cover a wide space and no one should assume something is universal.

I just wish more people would be upfront about what they want and not what they hope will happen. When there's no clear communication about preferences – or limits – that's when disappointments happen.

Al, I really like your definition. Perfectly spot on IMHO.

I've asked this before and never really got a clear answer, and I haven't really done one before. Basically, it's like a competitive submission match (in order to win your opponent must submit), but you focus more on using pro moves.

So I think I've seen a topic on here discussing it before and even though I think I understand the idea, can someone explain of me how a promission wrestling match works? Just curious to see if it's something I'd be interested in.