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I think "Compliments" are a good idea in addition to "Recommendations", but not as a replacement. So let's have both options!

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Agree. There's nothing like a thoughtfully written rec to give me an idea of who this stranger REALLY is. Checkboxes are a good idea, but mostly since they provide a lower bar to doing *something* :-)

Seems an exciting and engaging new feature 💪

Agree with StrikeFighter, both sounds like a really really good idea!

I like the idea if that is an additional feature and still some text can be entered and is encouraged. People and matches are to special, different and unique to fit into 5 or eight classes of compliments only.

Keep both... some guys dont like doing recommendations and some really use it to give a good feel of what a guy is like to meet. For those who struggle with recommendations, the compliments give them the option to summarizing their experience but expand the compliment choices.

Re the comment choices, something along the lines of "sexy af" would be helpful

And somewhat off topic, can we add a WOOF feature as well for when browsing profiles please? 😛

I would definitely keep both Recommendations and Compliments. Most of the suggested Compliments are basic and only scratch the surface about describing an opponent. I would suggest adding additional compliments such as: "excellent heel," "excellent jobber," "excellent gutpuncher," "safe and respectful." There are probably other more characteristic-related compliments that could be added that align with the interest check boxes available in a profile. I also second the idea from GlobalGrappler about having a WOOF feature or something similar that provides a quick way to let another member know that you are interested in connecting with them without having to write a complete message.

Isn’t that the “challenge” already?

One thing I wanted to emphasize: One of the best things about this site is the availability of Recommendations. It's a great way to corroborate a user's profile (especially when a profile is light on content) and ensure that a good connection will be made with another user. I understand that some people don't enjoy writing so I understand there is a potential audience for Compliments. However, there are a lot of users (me included) who enjoy writing and reading Recommendations and rely on them identify potential opponents, so please do not remove that functionality (regardless of what gets decided about Compliments). Thanks!

Hey that guy in the screenshot looks familiar :p

Yeah! We should have credited you with the idea in our news post, but we got to exited, to get broader feedback and forgot about it!
Thanks for brining the idea up, and creating the mockup used above!

Haha, no worries at all! Seeing my profile there is credit enough 😄 I’m the one thankful for the awesome site and community around it!

I think the compliments would work well -within- recommendations, a bit like how interests work on the profile
Recommendation ae a tricky thing, how much do you write, what do you actually say- are you just using vague generic phrases. I think perhaps even have the option to say "I'd recommend" and nothing more. The more curious can enquire.

I agree with StrikerFighter: I'd keep the recommendations with this new feature as an extra.
As per other compliment suggestions:

"Good fighting area" for these who have mats.

"Pedagogic" for these who like to teach holds to other people.

"Great heel/great jobber".

Hey, I like those recommendations, especially the top two!!!

The fight area feels nice but isn’t necessarily bound to the person, what if I’m travelling or I move apartments, then they would have to reset the recommendations

What I like about recommendations is that it's personal. It's my diary and memories book. Please don't take it away.
The best way (I think) would be to had tags to it. But definitely not taking it away

One thing I’ve been thinking about: should we be able to give just one compliment or a limited number, so that each profile highlight the qualities people are most known for, or all that apply, so that it can be more exhaustive?

Im leaning towards one 🤔

I think [up to] 3 is a solid number; enough of a constraint to have you think carefully, but also wide enough to get some precision.

for example: "This person is strong" vs "This person is strong and a good teacher"

I guess it really depends on how many types of compliments they will create

I'm not sure I'm a fan of this. It feels a bit Linkedin. I'd much rather read/write a more personal and customised recommendation of the meeting to get a flavour of the person

I’m pretty sure they would never take those away

Actually, I felt like this was Uber.
😂

Errr that might actually be where I stole the idea 😭

Compliments sound good as an addition. (in the form of badges on a profile tab - as shown)

Just having AI written responses takes away part of the social aspect of the site and replaces it by soulless comments that can even be misleading at times.

I haaate AI recommendations sigh

Both options would be great please

I prefer the recommendations because you can also pick up on some interesting things between the lines. And I’m afraid that a lot of the recommendations would end up being replaced by compliments, simply because they’re quicker and easier to click on — we all have our lazy side.

Sometimes it is difficult to for me to come up with a narrative so "compliments" would be a handy tool. However, they seem a bit cold and impersonal. I would favor using them in addition to the standard written recommendation.

Ik schrijf graag in de aanbeveling hoe het gevecht gegaan is en welke grepen er toegepast zijn en of er uit kon worden ontsnapt enzovoort!
Inderdaad om het gevecht later nog te kunnen herinneren! Ook uiteraard wie er gewonnen heeft!

Just display the full recommendation and auto translate. It's annoying to.hit read more and to translate text

I found out there’s a big “expand all” button on top. Still doesn’t fix the translation. I think we should try writing in English :p

While compliments would be a nice feature I myself prefer the personal touch of a well written recommendation.

I couldn't agree more.

I like the idea of having both recommendations and compliments. I’d also suggest another feature: the ability to “LIKE” a photo on someone’s profile. Sometimes I see a pic and think “Wow! So handsome!” Or “Outstanding physique!” It would be nice to be able to give MF members positive feedback.

Agreed but make the count only visible to the owner of the pic like instagram did. No reason to turn it into a popularity contest

I think the initial list is too long.

"dominant" is likely not going to apply to the jobbers on here, and there's already a selection on the profile for that. Unless dominant is considered some kind of compliment, but it should not be.

Of the initial list, I think it should be only these:
"Good sportsmanship"
"Punctual and reliable"
"Easy to communicate with"

The rest are either unnecessary or confusing. But great idea!

Agree on dominant but I feel like we should have a “phisically strong” vs “very technical” thing, that often escapes reviews

I would keep both then guys can choose to write or choose options that best describe the opponent the had met.

I would keep both, but make it easier to find when writing a recommendation! I always have to hunt for where to do it. It seems like an unnecessarily complicated process.

Like anything else something can be abused. I like the idea MeetFighters has come up with. Sometimes when writing a review or compliment I am at a loss for words trying not to repeat the same phrases over and over.
Lets give this a shot and see where it finally goes.

like anything else

Like anything else something can be abused. I like the idea MeetFighters has come up with. Sometimes when writing a review or compliment I am at a loss for words trying not to repeat the same phrases over and over.
Lets give this a shot and see where it finally goes.

Everyone on this site is an individual and I still believe that written recommendations specific to that individual , one's experience, is important. I do like the option of having recommendations and I believe they would work well together.

Keep the recommendations feature as it gives a person the ability to tailor the message to their opponent and add the compliments as another option for those who are not great at the art of writing especially typing on a cell phone.

Great 🍆 needs to be an option 😂😂

"Was Honest"

In addition to recommendations - maybe a few buttons you can click on during the recommendation. I'd keep these to a small number and not too granular.

I'm glad you're encouraging recommendations. Each time I see a one sided recommendation it makes the one not giving one look bad.

It almost seems as if this is a solution looking for a problem. I agree with those who suggest retaining the freestyle recommendation, with "compliments" as an extra. If you make it "compliments" only, the likelihood is that fighters with a stack of matches will end up with many identical sets of generic compliments. Which doesn't necessarily tell us anything.

I mean the post says “If you find compliments a bit impersonal, you can combine these with a full recommendation”!

My opinion looks as if it's going to be unpopular but I don't really see the point in 'Compliments' - we have Recommendations which covers most compliments and is more expressive and more likely to give a indication of the person in question. It further messes up the screen with information which I would think is redundant as it is already in Recommendations. When Recommendations are one sided one has to draw ones own conclusion taking into account other comments in Recommendations. As you say some people don't like to make Recommendations but I doubt any are so illiterate that they can't.

But ... let me COMPLIMENT you on your continuing efforts on this site and trying out new ideas - making this a great, great site ... thanks.

Thank you for opening the feature for discussion 🙏
I voted against the idea because it introduces a numeric scoring/review system for each meetup. Instagram added the option to hide number of likes because of criticism for its negative effect on user wellbeing. I would like an option to disable it if it's introduced. I don't want meetups to turn into an impersonal performance/competition for equivalents of likes.

But isn’t the number of recommendations already that?

That’s why I think there should be a cap to the compliments a single person can give, so it naturally smooths out and just highlights the most important features of each person

You mean a cap to the compliments a single person can give to one person? It should definitely only be one, yes. I'd disagree with a general cap, though. This would just be too punishing to people who actually meet many people.

Fair enough. I get this point and think it's really interesting, but I would like to add that one's issues with "hunting for likes" are their own and shouldn't really be the issue of the website. Overall, this function would create a great overview of what someone is offering and therefore be a huge + for the website. Although personal recommendations shouldn't vanish of course.

Honestly, additions & additional options are always a good thing. Recommendations are great & should be kept as an option, but they really aren't required and I'm saying this as someone who loves to write sometimes. It's perfectly fine to just be able to add a small pre-formed sentence with a compliment. In the end, it still shows what you mean to say. I wouldn't use them because I personally think it's better to write something personal, but having it as an option for others is a good thing.

I like having both options. I also think there good be a few others;
Good hygiene
Great host
Respectfully of boundaries and limits

Is it just like a like or a school mark like 1-5?
And is it anonymous?

Ooh the anonymous part could add a layer to it

The compliment list format is similar to the selections for match structure, wrestling style, etc. as we complete our profiles. Sounds like a good, shorthand idea but like others have said, I'd like to be able to write full recommendations.

I think that having both options for every match is a good idea. I think that a Recommendation tells a story and gives you a good idea of what the other wrestler is like. Compliments shouldn't replace Recommendations though.

It would be great to have this as an option in addition to the current setup!

You can have an LLM extract compliment tags from existing recommendation text and let users choose between giving compliments vs still going through the classic recommendation route (I personally enjoy creative writing) and have compliments suggestions extracted from the written text.
You don’t need a complex LLM an open model running on prem would suffice since this isn’t very complex nor niche.
Reach out if you need tech advice

That’s really cute tbh but I would remove the part where it suggests not to post the recommendation, just… recommend the compliments

Love it! ⚡️ Yes, and not a moment too soon before people start using LLM’s to manufacture their experiences.😮‍💨

And while although nothing beats a well thought out recommendation, not all meetups and matches are deserving of such a memento. 🫦

There have been a number of occasions where I wanted to leave a recommendation but I found myself struggling with the words to convey my sentiment and simply speechless. 🤐

I am all for a combination of both👏 compliment + recommendation. 👏

Anyone can use an LLM to give them ideas, but unfortunately, people wanting a shortcut will not tailor suggestions from an LLM.

Thus ultimately making said recommendation feel hollow, sterile, and completely ingenuous to their voice (I'm looking at you, person who never uses paragraphs and punctuation!!) 👁️👄👁️

Hmm... that idea could lead to the ability to express one's own thoughts withering even further. The use of a symbol should be linked to a brief text of one's own so that the brain does not switch off completely.

Would it not be a good idea to expand compliments with some neutral and even negatives, thus compliments becomes pro's/con's, we've all met that guy where things were great apart from this one little ick

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I like the idea of having both.

My fear is that compliments will eat away on recommendations and therefore the most important tool of our site to get an estimation about how safe it is to meet a certain user will erode away, which would be a pity.

THis feature would make it easier to handle the aftermath of a meeting, but in the long-term on the cost of preparing a meeting when recommendations suffer from compliments - and they will because this feature will not only encourage those guys who would not have written a recommendation to give at least some feedback, no, it surely will als cause some guys who would have written a recommendation to just use the easier, more comfortable (for them at that moment), and quicker way, thus recuding the number fo recommendations in the long run.

But I do love how the site still is evolving with new ideas and how open it is to ideas from the users.

What about an extremely detailed checklist for writing a recommendation, instead of this mechanism of "slogans"? The purpose is to
- help recall the important points: the 5 Ws + How and Why.
- help people who do not tell the "bad" parts in a positive review, for the fear of sounding harsh.

Recommendations should be straight to the point, with ideas clearly separated. I'm seeing unformatted walls of text, with the narrative of the match intermixed with the opinions.

I think serious people take the time to read and an UX based on compliments can instead make the userbase self-select in an unwanted direction (as seen on certain other websites).

Another thing, some of the suggested slogans seem biased, implying that being confident and outgoing is a compliment, instead it is a personality trait and what matters (to me) is actually the good will of a person.

RECOMMENDATION CHECKLIST / TEMPLATE

Change the text to your liking and feel free to make it as personal as you want.

When and where
    We met at his house / bar / ...
    He was on time / not on time.

His room is wide / tidy / quiet.
    He has a large tatami.

What
    SHORTLY tell what happened. :-)

Who
    He was particularly committed to learn / teach / win / make sure I'd enjoy the match to its fullest / enjoying the match himself.
    He is very strong / I was stronger.
    He has a great technique. / He has a lot to learn.
    He is easy to communicate with. / He does not always communicate his thoughts clearly.
    He is talkative and outgoing. / He is focused and straight to the point.
    He respects interpersonal boundaries. / I liked that he has a lot of stamina and energy, however he sometimes was a bit overfamiliar.

Motivation
    He was very determined to improve his technique. / He likes to be encouraged to find confidence in himself. / He is more focused on effort and endurance than on technical refinement.
    He likes to ask for advice and he learns quickly.

What he learnt from me
    ...
What I learnt from him
    ...

The compliments should be an extra section inside recommendations.

What makes recommendations valuable, is that they are rare, getting a recommendation is valuable.

If you replace that with an easy compliments button, everybody will have a recommendation, then its not gonna make you stand out anymore, and like there's gotta be a requirement to give a compliment, there's no point if anybody can do it tbh

Also we would start seeing way more BOTS since now people wont have to type.

Compliments won’t count as recommendations

I think he's arguing against the very idea of low-effort reviews and suggesting, if they must exist at all, at least have them subordinate to the normal reviews system

Exactly, I think that if you took the time of writting a recommendation for someone its because you had a good time and would like others to experience it, most recommedations are written by hand, thing that its rare nowadays, they are special. But if you give people a frictionless shortcut then we will lose the beautiful human side of this site. I think compliments could work as a premium item that you can buy and then send them to a user trough the chat, they have to choose if they accept it or reject and if they say yes then it gets displayed in their banner section, similiar of how steam or reddit awards work. They should also be fully customizable, like let people load their own images of the compliment logo or change the colour of the frame, I think this would make each one unique and not just a plain feature<\b>

I'm not familiar with steam and reddit, "buy" means with real money / donations?

(PS no need to bold everything)